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Should mother's in prison for killing their children be allowed to get pregnant while incarcerated?
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I was thinking recently about this issue and wanted to see what the response would be and opinions if I posted it for debate.
Should mother's who are imprisoned for murdering/attempting to murder their children be allowed to get pregnant while in prison?
I personally believe that these women should have their tubes tied, burned, whatever so that they are never able to bear children again. The fact that such a woman should even be allowed the opportunity it's disheartening to me. While some of them are getting pregnant by guards, again this could be avoided by fixing them so this cannot happen. Perhaps I am being crude but I have strong feeling against women who blatantly murder their innocent children..
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Permalink Reply by cooper on -
I don't think there is much of a case for tying the tubes of murdering mothers if we don't in turn castrate all the child molesters and men who rape women. Child murder is a horrific crime of course, most often due to mental illness of some kind, and the number of women who go on to have children afterwards is surely limited.
Interesting that you brought up the whole rape by guards issue because it speaks toward casrating the guards over tying the tubes of the mother if you ask me.
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Permalink Reply by TheStepster on -
Yeah, I second that.
I also think those women should have their tubes tied, simply because I don't see the point of them getting pregnant again and then potentially harming their new babies. Of course, I'm sure newborns will not be under the care of their imprisoned mothers, but it's really sad to know they'll grow up learning their moms are flesh-and-blood killers.
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Permalink Reply by Ella Unread on -
I agree!
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Permalink Reply by Hampton Rhodes on -
wait, what?!
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Permalink Reply by Adrienne H on -
Wait. Is that actually an option? Why do people in prison get to have sex? That's silly. That's not in our constitution is it? That's not like some kind of right that everyone has: food, shelter, and nookie. No. This is terrible. Congical (or however you spell it) visits should not be allowed. It is not cruel or unusual to deny criminals sex. It is common sense and, franky, what they get. I hope that this isn't based off of an actual someone cuz that would make me very sad. Though, most likey, the state would take that child away once it's born and not allow the mother custody. Hopefully.
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Permalink Reply by Carina the Blogarina on -
No no no no... You can not force a person to undergo a severe medical procedure like that. Not only does it go against a person right ( in prison or not) to decide over her own body, but it's a slippery slope I mean where does it end? What is the next thing that should be allowed to do against somebody's own will? And how do you make the call of which woman this should be some to? Should we do it to woman who suffered from post-partum depression? Or woman have mental problems or mental disabilities?
I think if it a problem that woman who have murdered their kids get pregnant again in jail, then people should consider how to stop them from having sex. While being in charge of you own body is a right, being able to have sex is not. Deny prisoners conical visits. And if they are still getting pregnant people look at the guards. There should not be any sexual relationship between a guard and a prisoner, and then hiring routines and some many other things should be evaluated to make sure that that doesn't happen.
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Permalink Reply by Alianna on -
I have to say the first thing that came to mind was how in the world is this even occuring?
Then I read your bit about prison guards and someone's comment about conjugal visits. My question would be are these guards raping these women? I thought women's prisons had female guards? The idea of putting a bunch of big ass men to control women of questionable morality in a place that is ripe for abuse just seems wrong. Besides the pregnancy issue, no one deserves to be raped even if they've killed their own child.
Should they be made incapable of having children? I don't think I can agree with that. It's definitely unethical to allow them to keep any children they might have based on their prior actions, but at the same time the idea of prison is to serve your time and then be released into the community; to hopefully learn from your mistake. With harsher crimes like murder, why bother to tie their tubes? Why not just kill these women? Maybe that's too harsh, but I don't see the point in housing and feeding these women (tubes tied or not). If you're going to prevent them from having children, what does that solve? It says "we don't trust you to be a good mother" and "we don't think you have a right to be a mother; you forfeited it." If you go a step further, can't you then say, "we don't trust you not to kill people" and "you've forfeited your right to life by taking another's"?
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Permalink Reply by Whitney on -
I understand you're reasoning, but I think there's a great argument against it to. To name a few:
First, it would be expensive. Second, being in prison doesn't take away your rights with your own body. If you get into that territory, you open the doors to some really terrifying things. Third, so many women that murder their children have psychological issues. Insanity pleas and incompetence to stand trial are rarely found in court, but those are legal terms. Just because a woman isn't NGRI doesn't mean there aren't some major mental health problems. I don't really believe in removing their inability to have children if there's any chance for rehabilitation.
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Permalink Reply by Tiffani D. on -
You raise really good points Whitney, and I totally see your point of view (damn that Criminal Justice debate class), but the non-analytical version of me wants to be like Kayla, and burn the woman's tubes into stumps.
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Permalink Reply by Tiffani D. on
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That is a heavy question my dear.
here's my own take, because people have asked me this a lot (being a forensic psychology degree holding person)
1) Really, women shouldn't be getting pregnant while incarerated. That is just, NO.
2) I would say that unless some very unusual circumstances in the case made it an exception, no woman should be allowed to have children again after she's killed the one(s) she already had.
That is like letting a bank robber be a teller at at the local Chevy Chase branch. Just not a good idea.
As for the rape issue..I don't know I'd have to think about that.
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Permalink Reply by TheStepster on
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Really good arguments on this thread. I see all of your points, and agree to a lot. (OK ignore me and continue.)
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