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Where Have The Good Men Gone? - Wall Street Journal Calls Out 20something Men
Don't know if any of you saw this in the Wall Street Journal today but I figured it was an interesting read for us 20somethings. It basically claims that 20something men have turned into little boys and women are sick of dealing with them.
Where Have the Good Men Gone - WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725...
There was also a similar article in the LA Times about how 20something men have turned into louts and the different theories behind it.
Day of the Lout - LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-louts-20110213,0,20...
What do you all think?
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Permalink Reply by Freeman Dyson on -
I blame the social cannibals who call themselves "feminists".
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Permalink Reply by Amanda Abella on -
The second article actually touches on that very subject.
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Permalink Reply by Freeman Dyson on
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I only skimmed it but I can say I agree with a lot of it. I can't tell you how many girls I hear bitching about how they can't get their boyfriend to stop playing video games to spend time with them. Or some other childish pursuit. This is so ridiculous to me. If you would rather play fucking video games than spend time with your woman, then you shouldnt have a woman. I cant believe women put up with this shit.
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Permalink Reply by Katie Weber on -
The way I see it, if the girls want to spend time with the guy, join him in video games. I mean, I actually like to play video games, so that's not hard for me. But the same principle applies to sports, or whatever. The girls need to stop bitching and join in with what the guy is interested in sometimes. I mean, it's another thing if the guy never reciprocates the sentiment, but I think girls are far too picky these days. There are a LOT of great guys out there, but the girls just expect a fairy tale prince charming.
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Permalink Reply by John Reckzeny on -
"The girls need to stop bitching and join in with what the guy is interested in sometimes."
Rock on, Katie.
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Permalink Reply by Katie Weber on
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Thank ya very much. *Does some Elvis hip action*
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Permalink Reply by Luis Campos on -
Sandwich making?
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Permalink Reply by cooper on -
A poorly written article by WSJ standards that's for sure.
Calling feminists social cannibals wrongly assumes that they are devouring culture that is useful, instead of seeing the truth in that a particular aspect of that culture is no longer necessary for that segment of humanity to survive.
I think it's a matter of choice. If women are settling for those types it's their problem.There are enough men out there who are not as portrayed in the above article that I doubt we have to be concerned. Maybe the women are just too desperate and too willing to settle.
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Permalink Reply by Andres Rio on -
I just read both articles and I have to say that I'm not surprised with anything they report. Absolutely, many guys want to extend their juvenile years and it is a big truth that the "lout" is a common mindset among college-age males. I remember one conversation I had with a hallmate in my sophomore year. I was enthusiastic about going to a sorority party and wanted to find out some good places to go out and have dinner beforehand with some of the sisters. His reaction to my plans was completely the opposite of what I expected stating, "dude why do you even put in the effort? Girls are just drama, problems, and 'if you like me, date me', shit like that. Just have a beer and play some Halo with me and [his roommate]". I was shocked to say the least. I thought that as a college guy, the top thing on our minds was ways to interact with lovely young ladies that want to go party with us. I guess not then. Maybe he was just socially inept and just asexual? Nope, not the only one with that mentality. They have given up on caring about women and how to get them, or better put, given up on trying to care. Another guy once commented to me (to my shock) that since college girls have as much sexual liberty as guys do nowadays, he didn't see a point in trying to keep a girl happy or interested in him, because for all he knew, she would just meet a better looking guy and go hook up with him instead. Nothing invested, nothing lost. That is how many guys view it and I definitely agree it has to due with the fact that women control the college scene nowadays. Rather than collaborate or even fight, most guys would rather roll over and play some Medal of Honor.
I wish I could say I can step up and give the ladies a new standard of manhood, but I'm too busy stuck at home doing homework and playing Rock Band :P...oops.
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Permalink Reply by Dave on -
This whole article stinks of elitism to me. I hope I'm not being too outspoken here, but it seems like the subtext here is: women=perfect men=immature dickheads. While it's true there probably are a lot of guys out there who act like this, it's hardly fair to paint every twentysomething male with the same brush like that. Furthermore, why can't we like our Star Wars (which, by the way, is hardly what I'd call a children's movie, as the article implied so snidely) and video games and still care about our women? It's not like these are mutually exclusive things.
It really annoys me that my gender/age group is being singled out like this.
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Permalink Reply by Lashes on -
I reread the WSJ article several times, and I have been unable to determine the purpose of it. Is she just pointing out that there is a new stop in the road to male adulthood? Is she trying to determine whose fault it is that pre-adult guys act the way they do? She's certainly not offering any possible solutions to the immaturity that she points out, and she doesn't really offer a definition of a "good man" except for one who actively seeks marriage and fatherhood. And I don't feel it was necessary to use loaded terms like "pig heaven" and "treat women like disposable estrogen toys" to make her point.
As a blogger prone to exaggeration and as a woman who is having trouble finding a "good man" in her life, I understand the use of such metaphors. However, it would certainly be interesting to hear a rebuttal from one of the "aging frat boys, maladroit geeks or grubby slackers" that she condemns throughout.
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Permalink Reply by Freeman Dyson on
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I know it is a cliche that generations are getting worse but it's true... The baby boomers have bankrupted this country and the world. They are still running and ruining things right now. Obama is a moron. Our generation is even worse. Politics is the art of sacrificing the the future for the present. Baby boomers turned it into a science. This generation will be starting off in a bigger hole and have a worse ethic to crawl out of it with.
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